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The best question is, "Have we received Christ as the only Savior for forgiveness of sin and entered into His kingdom? We yet wait for that consummated realized eternal sabbath rest with our Risen Christ that we presently only experience by faith. I would have to have to depend on evidence or history such as how could something be symbolic of something that did not exist yet and no one said that it was going to exist.

But you seem to think that is what the sacrificial system was about. Certainly not a valid view but clearly your personal belief. Maybe you can explain how this works and how it could have any meaning here I will give you an example. Please explain the symbolic meaning behind these symbols. With some regret, I have fallen into the habit of corresponding more frequently with those with whom I disagree than with those with whom I agree.

Such, I suppose, is the nature of the blogosphere. Thank you for your clarification of and support reference for the message of this blog. If we are saved through grace by faith in Jesus, then our justification and salvation is by and through Him. But what is it about Him that affords us this grace; or why is grace extended to us because of Him? Good to know that I must agree with your personal beliefs or we can agree on nothing else. After all, we are not negotiating wherein we seek compromise. Apparently your beliefs are not based upon reason and mine are thus I expect more then personal beliefs as some sort of authority that I must agree with.

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You see I know how to read rule books, and if I am playing baseball I can cite rules. You of course don't need any rules or evidence about how the game is played you have your personal belief. I guess that is your method though I have no idea why Adventist Today gives you a blog with such methods as yours. They might want to rethink that and give their blog to someone that sees value in evidence and reality over personal belief.

These essays and blog posts often revert to one's personal beliefs, much as the old "Testimony" meetings where people stood up and "testified" to their belief they were healed, or that they know the future, or that "God has spoken to me" as proof that they for certainty have the Holy Spirit and should be authoritative for those who will listen. In this climate, evidence and reason play no part: it is solely one's personal belief and interpretation of the Bible according to their opinions. When this blog becomes only an internet "testimony meeting" it has ceased to be the exchange of ideas based on nothing more than their very personal perceptions and loses the interest of those who prefer to discuss a common source that can be previously agreed upon.

I have opinions based on beliefs, or beliefs based on opinions; as do you. I readily express them, as do you. Consider it a byproduct of diversity.

In Romans 2 we are told that "The Holy Spirit" is along the "critical path to salvation" and in John 16 we are told that the Holy Spirit is the "Spirit of truth" leading us into all truth — and convicting the world of sin and righteousness and judgment. So in answer to the question about "This Gospel of the Kingdom" and the IJ — I would say that "this gospel of the Kingdom" in Matt 24 must first and foremost be the pre-cross teaching of Christ about the Kingdom, which was according to the Gospel accounts preached by John the baptizer even before Christ.

We define ourselves by knowing other people. We know our world by learning about difference.

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What is the word we often use? Is that a positive notion? Not really. I'm against that concept. It means difference is a threat. Difference is a blessing and you don't tolerate a blessing. You embrace it.


The Spirit speaks of Christ and glorifies Him…not Himself. Pat: One cannot accept the sacrifice of Christ unless they hear it. They cannot believe it if they don't hear and see it in action. The verses that talk about believing on Christ, and you shall be saved are for those who hear the the true Gospel.

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Otherwise it wouldn't make sense as used by most Christians—that billions will be lost because they haven't heard about Christ or only a false impression of Christ. Most evangelical Christians say this is why we need missionaries. However, Christ talks about the Jews who sent missionaries and made converts as hateful as themselves. I am not saying this happens a lot, but I know it does happen. Some missionaries are permissive saying "it is the culture to steal" yet expect them to change their day of worship against their culture. These do not add to the Kingdom of God. Without agape love, the character does not change and corruption results.

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The true Gospel tells people that Christ has died for them. In hearing about such a loving God that changes lives, they want to obey Him. Thus some of the wicked who were evil will accept such love when they hear about it. Some before the missionaries came accepted the "unknown" Spirit of love and caring by choice and behavior and would be saved without knowing. We need missionaries for those who are balancing on the edge between good and evil. This is how I have concluded that salvation works. It makes sense to me.

I think God is more loving and willing to save than we can imagine. It would seem that message would win more and change lives. Agape love is the true Gospel, and Christ's act of love reveals it. There still seems to be the assumption that only Christians will be saved; which is why Christians must "tell it to the whole world.

Such a belief limits God by us humans in trying to convert everyone to Christianity, or else they would be lost. With the fast-growing population, Christians are getting further behind, and they must either seek other ways or modify their belief that everyone must become Christian or be eternally lost. While I would agree with you that harshness and rudeness and many other attitudes often expressed by professed Christians hinder the Gospel of Christ, I would suggest that part of the problem is some preachers teach we are to look at the believer to much.

I suggest part of the Christian message is that we remain unworthy and "we preach not ourselves but Christ. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and we believe it was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. Her writings speak with prophetic authority and provide comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction to the church. After all, she is regarded as a prophet like Samuel or Jeremiah. Though he views it negatively, Seventh-day Adventist historian George R.

Knight recognizes that this reality exists in SDA circles:. Some Adventists have seen Ellen White as an infallible Bible commentator in the sense that we should use her writings to settle the meaning of Scripture. Thus one of the denomination's leading editors could write in the Review and Herald in that "the writings of Ellen G. White constitute a great commentary on the Scriptures.

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Reading Ellen White , Too many Adventists have tended to put Ellen White in the place of Jesus. He, not Ellen White, is our example. To shove Ellen White's example to the forefront of our religion is cultic rather than Christian. White they observed when they were part of the SDA movement. Here is just one example:. Henry E. SDAs have Ellen G. White whose voluminous writings are regarded as authoritative by the vast majority of church members. They would not call this an addition to the canon of Scripture, though with many it is hard to tell the difference.

One person peppered me with Ellen White quotations even though she knew I was no longer a church member. She then offered to send me a compilation of even more such statements. She treated Ellen White as part of the canon, not only authoritative for her personally, but also for me. Though Seventh-day Adventists claim to test Mrs.

But other Christian groups also have the Bible. What, therefore, sets the Seventh-day Adventists apart is what they have in addition to the Bible, namely, the gift of prophecy as manifested in Mrs. But if they test Mrs. It is quite clear at this point that Seventh-day Adventists do not really test Mrs. Four Major Cults , They teach that the Fourth Commandment is binding on Christians today. For Seventh-day Adventists, worshiping on Saturday is not a matter of Christian liberty cf.

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It is seen as a binding requirement on all believers. In the words of Harold Lindsell:. If men now or later must keep the Sabbath to demonstrate their salvation or to prevent their being lost, then grace is no more grace. Rather, we are saved by grace and kept by works. Hoekema, Four Major Cults , However, I did have to edit my earlier article on that point.

In the meantime, those who worship on Sunday now are not condemned at least not until they come to understand the obligation to observe the Sabbath on Saturday. No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true.

Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast. Evangelism , —; Cf. Several years ago I was in northeastern Indiana in Amish country and found a rather surprising sight. When I inquired of an Amish merchant at the flea market in Shipshewanna, he told me thay had been given special permission because doing that allowed the industries to compete and be more profitable. When I checked, I found that you could order Amish-made custom cabinets and furniture on their websites!

Prayer, worship, "pure faith," and simple living thrive in monasteries, so I hear. Adventism has always promoted a kind of home style monastic life, which has never caught on and never will. The theory behind this promotion, I think, assumes that a practitioner automatically will become more devoutly committed to Adventism since it is "The Truth.

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As a hospital chaplain an SDA social worker and I had a running discussion, never resolved, as to whether Adventism attracts the nut jobs, or are they transformed after joining? Performance Adventism definitely tends towards monasticism. Of course you can take spiritual pride and spiritual abuse with you wherever you go.

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